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Chronic Ilnesses / Re: Multiple Sclerosis
« on: December 17, 2020, 10:23:49 AM »
Greetings, Vince!

...thanks for stopping by our little forum, here.

First thing, is that I truly believe that clay makes everything a little better.

As far as Multiple Sclerosis goes, I think MS should be listed as a syndrome.  Usually, syndromes are defined by the classification of the presentation of set of symptoms as the diagnostic tool (in the absence of any other formal diagnosis), but I think it should include illnesses that are defined ONLY by the associated symptoms or effects, rather than the root cause.  For me, it is more useful to look at it this way.

Therefore, clay's direct usefulness and efficacy is partly dependent on the actual cause of MS, which can be numerous things.

I don't believe that the immune system is stupid, and all of the sudden it decides it is going to attack itself for no reason.  There is always a trigger.  Finding that exact trigger may be very difficult, but considering that the assumption is that there is a pathogen, toxin, or protein that the body is reacting against which is causing the immune system over-reaction is a useful assumption.

Using clay internally absolutely helps the body balance immune system function.  Scientists now know that some of the symbiotic bacteria that live in the gut have cells very similar to brain neurons, and scientists have also recently discovered a direct lymph system link between the digestive tract and the brain.

In fact, no doubt in some cases, digestive system imbalances may actually be the causative factor for MS.

As such, I highly recommend that anyone interested in MS very carefully review the work done by Dr. Wahls ("The Wahls Protocol").  However, while using such an elimination diet (the strictest) is part of our own digestive system recovery program, it is very important to note that finding the exact right way for a person to eat, will NOT necessarily result in digestive system function restoration and healing. 

In fact, it seldom does.  So, while eating healthy can go a long way to restoring health, the results are usually either temporary or partial.  In some cases, the end result is that a person ends up only being able to eat a very few foods without reacting.  That is not actually healing, that is still treating symptoms.

Digestive restoration is best achieved from the top to the bottom.  That means starting with studying the health of saliva, then the stomach, then the small intestines, and THEN the colon....  and each interwoven system in between.

On the Earthcures main page(s), there is a digestive system cleanse that we recommend along with eating a truly science-based healthy diet.  It is a 2 month program.  The goal is singular, to transform the bio-terrain of the digestive tract, and especially to purge the "lethal" mucoid plaque that is almost always present in the colon.

Paying careful attention to the principles, rather than the program itself, is even more important, as it lists the things that absolutely MUST happen in order to achieve microbiome harmony.

There is also a good, two thread discussion on what makes a healthy diet, healthy, in the "nutrition" section of the forum as well.

As far as clay goes?  Absolutely!

...there is a continuation of this general discussion here:


[Eytons' Earth answering question via email correspondence]
[in essence, a continuation of this thread: https://www.earthcures.org/forum/index.php/topic,3.0.html


I've been working with the issue of "recovery diets" for a very long time, and of course there is no "one size fits all" solution, especially when it comes to the idea of "healthy" eating habits.

There are a few fundamental points that almost all nutritionists ignore or simply don't know; sometimes I think perhaps that it is too simple!

The first principle of nutrition, is that the body MUST be able to digest everything consumed.  While this sounds like a no-brainer, nearly all "experts" ignore this principle, and instead form elaborate rules and regulations governing eating habits to harness what they imagine to be how the body works.

Most of them are just plain wrong, which has been a real source of frustration for me over the years as I've tried to find and explore "the truth".

The second principle that they ignore, forget, or simply don't know, is that you have to feed the microbiome before you feed yourself.  This becomes very problematic in the modern world, since I would say that 90% of people's microbiome is ill, which means that it is not hospitable to human health and wellness.

Principle number one and rule number two are the primary reasons why people can't get well with diet.

Principle number two also gets complicated by the fact that this 90%, even if they are trying to feed the microbiome properly, are usually poisoning it and themselves.  This happens on several levels.  The first is digestive failure, or what you might want to call "pre"-digestive system failure.  What happens in the saliva and in the stomach.

Food that cannot be broken down becomes poison. This can be caused by lack of HCL production (often a function of deficiencies, such as minerals and in particular, iodine), lack of enzymes, and/or lack of cellular energy conversion coupled with organ deficiencies such as a low functioning thyroid.

Next, and equally common, is retention toxicity.  Even if primary digestive juices are adequate, many people experience liver retention toxicity, which translates to toxic bile (heavy metals are usually indicated here).  Bile is recirculated over and over again as it travels through the digestive tract.  This results in a very inhospitable bio-terrain for "beneficial" micro-organisms... but provides a great bio-terrain for many pathogenic ones...  the person is literally killing the good bacteria and supporting the pathogenic ones.

All of this eventually culminates into leaky gut syndrome, where the integrity of the colon wall is compromised.  This "compromise" also often includes a layer of mucoid plaque that exists within the colon walls.

I have not found any nutritional diet on the planet that purges mucoid plaque, and I've looked at them all.  Sometimes, someone might accidentally support their body in a way to create the right conditions to allow that purging and true colon wall healing... but it is certainly not by a "principle" of diet, because it won't be repeatable with any meaningful percentage of people.  It is usually just a "happy accident" or simply the mind/body connection working at a different level for healing.

Therefore, because of this, nobody using a diet to heal is actually transforming their bio-terrain completely.   Therefore, results are always going to be spotty, temporary, or illusory.  People end up doing massive amounts of very hard work on themselves, and getting a return that is often deeply depressing...  even though DOING that work is creating discipline which will always be very valuable.

I've worked with detox for a few decades, without that final key.  When I started experiments on myself, I did not think I would get any results.  Very few people on the planet have detoxed (but to be fair, I've done my share of modern world 'toxing" as well)  like I have.  Therefore, I was pleasantly surprised when I did a mucoid plaque cleanse that I actually DID have a purge, at about week three, and it completely resulting in the transformation of my bio-terrain, which changed everything.  It changed my taste, and it completely eliminated any and all cravings.

People with chronic conditions and illness have to put all of this together, and have to put it together in the order that is right for them.

My experience with nutrition is that extreme dietary philosophies, ideologies, and practices can be very useful for the short term, but rarely serve a person over the long term.  To complicate this, it can easily take ten years for dietary issues to show up as actual symptoms, by which time the damage has been done (but of course, is often "repairable).

This is why I have twenty five years of dietary research, but I still can't tell someone exactly how to eat.  Some people actually need to be on what I call the divorced cave man diet... what a "man" would do that loved hunting, but didn't particularly care that much for gathering, and certainly had no farming skills.

Other people (perhaps like yourself), may need the exact opposite for a period of time.

My long winded point here is that these extremes are usually only viable temporarily.

The great news is:  If a person does an elimination diet, a full detox and digestive system recovery program, one can then teach the body and the mind that the body's innate intelligence can once again be trusted.  One need not rely so heavily upon intellectualizations, no matter how well thought  out or convincing they may be.

Currently, the alpha testing for this program is in a holding pattern (anyone interested can still ask to join, though).

I would like to state that serious students of Dr. Joe Dispenza's work, and work involving the quantum physics "many worlds" model... where quantum mechanics intersects with metaphysics and spirituality, can join me in a new study group:

"Dr. Joe Dispenza - Advanced Studies: The Quantum Unified Field & Meditation"


This group is dedicated to solitary practitioners who are ADVANCED students; individuals exploring Dr. Joe Dispenza's work, the quantum unified field, and related modern meditation methods.

There are many great Dr. Joe Dispenza groups, good for general information and social interaction. However, I put each one to the test to see what kind of quality controls existed. All had the same basic, but extensive and tragic failures, that most Facebook groups contain. I'm never sure if admins just don't really know the work that well, or if they simply don't have the training or attention span to properly manage a group to make sure that lives up to the "founder's" teachings and principles.

As such, this group isn't for prayer requests, motivational meme's, cross posting conflicting ideologies (other work is accepted provided it doesn't contradict Dr. Joe's core formula, all content is welcome that is complementary), emotional "support", etc. There are some great groups out there for "general" students of Dr. Joe, and beginners.

By "advanced", I'm hoping that people attracted to this group have moved beyond working just "to get the things I want". There's nothing wrong with basic manifestation, but after so many "lifetimes", it gets a little boring.

I created this group to see if there is any interest in digging deeper into the philosophical issues, advanced challenges, for sharing advanced tips, etc... and identifying and resolving inaccuracies, identifying and resolving incomplete information, etc.

In this group, it is OK to question any idea or information for the purpose of deeper learning, understanding, gaining a superior perspective etc. I haven't met a perfect human being yet! Educated skepticism (this group isn't for casual individuals with a passing interest) is welcome, provided that it is approached with the right spirit.


I'm researching Dr. Joe's work and principles for the ADVANCED portion of the Beginner's Meditation Program mentioned in this forum thread!

...activated charcoal is great stuff, I think every household should have it.

That said, it really can't do all of the things that therapeutic grade edible clays can.

Like micronized zeolites (which is actually rock), activated charcoal is a "water rejecting" substance, and thus has no ability to form complex charge layers.  Unlike micronized zeolite, or other therapeutic clays, most activated charcoal used has quite chaotic particles.  They are often
 porous and strand like.  They also have no ability to respond selectively based on the local environment; this highly coveted property is what makes clay far more interesting and unique.

Fire produces chaos unless fire is taken to the extreme.  In other words, substances that are partially purified by fire are quite different than substances that are FULLY purified by fire.  To see how this works, look into the "sacred" production of purple, nine times roasted bamboo salt.

In order to fully purify by fire, you have to burn a substance until it can burn no more (it can take on no more electrons), and at temperatures that organic material cannot withstand at all.  This happens in places like volcanoes (volcanic origin clays), stars (where specialized elements are actually created), and in human procedures, which are usually hallmarked by burning substances at such a high temperature that it turns into actual molten magma.

However, like micronized zeolite, there are highly specialized forms of carbon nano-molecules which are highly organized and have very specific particle characteristics; highly ordered, non-chaotic, extremely dangerous OR extremely beneficial, depending largely upon the particle size and especially the SHAPE.  Those "tubular", strand like carbon particles so common in activated charcoal, have a similar/corresponding tubular shape in the nano-size range where the particles are extremely dangerous.  Thinks like C-60 or "buckyballs" should be used, which have "roundish" particle characteristics that help to prevent them from damaging cells.

Two of the benefits of activated charcoal:  1. ...activated charcoal does not really "hydrate" at all, it does NOT have a "sticky" state of hydration (sometimes this state IS VERY beneficial), and 2.  It has no ABsorption capability, does not "swell" with water, and thus it can travel through the digestive system with greater ease.

Sometimes I'll use activated charcoal just for the fun of it, but if I suspect any real toxicity exposure, my hand always reaches for hydrated healing clay instead, without hesitation or doubt!

Zeolite is some amazing stuff, but there is no company that I'm aware of, at least in the United States, that really represents their product honestly.  I use the word "honestly"  instead of "accurately", because-- while there are certainly issues with marketing companies and their accuracy-- you can be accurate and still not honest.

I would say that the exception is us, as I refuse to publicly write that much about zeolite, other than its fundamental properties.  I really like to have 10 to 20 years of experience with something new, especially if it falls in the realm of "alternative" rather than natural medicine.  Just because something is found in nature, doesn't mean it is natural medicine!

I do talk about zeolite quite a bit in this "Eytons' Earth Discussions" forum, but most of my focus in this aspect has to do with educating our customers about the differences between different colloids.  Here I'd like to expound upon zeolite itself, as far as consumer products available in the world, as used for health and healing.

There are four distinct, and quite different, classifications of "zeolite" (clinoptilolite).  They all share the same general properties, but they all work very differently in the body.

The first one is the most expensive and the biggest rip off, as far as I'm concerned.  It is usually called "liquid zeolite", which is a misnomer, because all zeolite is rock, and it is non water-soluble.  My regular readers know just how much I love it when marketing companies name their products impossibly!  Zeolite always is, always was, and always will be a non-water soluble colloid.  Even more than that, it is simply ROCK.  So, in other words, they call their product liquid rock.

In all of these types of products, there is only a minute amount of actual zeolite.  When it first came out,  after examining the product with a laser to check its Tyndall effect, I drank a six month supply in one sitting, and it did nothing (except rob my pocket book, but I wrote it off as a business expense as I was testing a potential product for our business).

This type of product is-- or so it seems-- actually, effective... but not for the reasons people think.  There appears to be a homeopathic response, as well as an elevated placebo effect.  Now, I'm all for utilizing the placebo effect, and I'm all for effective homeopathic remedies, but they don't work in the same way.

I've seen a few separate and independent lab studies that show that these liquid zeolites don't actually pull metals out of the body...  so, when they are effective, it is the body's response doing the work.  This is pretty easy look at, from an analytical perspective.  So, if you use this type of product, and it works, that's great!  If you recommend it to others for any serious condition, you are putting their health at risk, because homeopathics and placebo effects are very individual, not universal.

Let's be clear.  If a person has an MRSA (staph) infection due to a cut on the finger, 100% of the time our green desert clay, when used in hydrated clay gel/magma form, will eliminate the infection, and in very short order.  We have done time kill comparison studies in vitro lab experiments to prove it, and we've done many personal experiments, over and over across the years, as well.  It has even worked with diabete heart transplant patients on powerful immune system suppressing drugs. 

That's science.  We know the exact method of actions.  You don't have to want it to happen, or believe it to happen, and you can even strongly disbelieve it will happen;  it will still work.  It is not subject to the nacebo effect, either (natural clays are part of the animal kingdoms innate instinct, which over-rides the potential for psychological intentions to interfere... it truly does seem that the body "knows", right down to the cellular level).

Ok, the next type of zeolite, is the one which most of the world's most impressive studies have been done with:  Fully micronized zeolite.  This type of zeolite used to be widely available in North America until (of course) the FDA stepped in and pulled it all off of the shelves.  I have about five pounds saved from the last run we had, so that I can compare it to any other emerging products in the future.

The FDA stepped in, and stated that fully micronizing zeolite would "probably" liberate too much lead (zeolites are loaded with non-bioactive, non-bioavailable lead) from the zeolite crystalline structures.  They set  VERY low microgram dosage levels for human consumption... so, only the liquid zeolites can comply, since there is hardly any zeolite in any of them.

These amazing fully micronized colloidal particles are still "cage" shaped.  This has advantages and disadvantages, but is very important the smaller the particle sizing.  The "best" stuff is marketed under a process called TMAZ... the stuff you want to COMPLEMENT our product, is a product with particles sized from 0.1 - 1 micron in diameter. TMAZ is a PROCESS, so the particle size can any size, although it a wasteto use TMAZ to produce particles 10 microns and above.

These are the particles that the body pretty much treats as water; that's how tiny they are (although they are still quite LARGE from a nano-particle perspective!). They can enter and detox cells.  Because of the shape, they do not have cytotoxicity issues, as long as they are micronized properly (hence the TMAZ process).  They have two to four times the sorption power of other colloids/clays used for detox.

However, many people believe that these particles are too small to detox what I am currently calling mid-range toxic elements/compounds:
 Heavy metals and other positively charged particles too big to enter cells, but can still cause havoc in organs, soft tissues, and of course at and on the outer edge of cells.  This IS conjecture.  I've inquired as to the exact science, corresponding with some of the greatest minds in related fields, and no one is absolutely certain that this is the case, but it makes the most sense, given the differences in how people respond to use.

So, to be clear, these don't seem to do a great job at acting at the ORGAN level, or even really at the FLUID level.  I view them as specifically for "cellular" use.  There are CERTAINLY far superior things to use for blood, fluid, and organs.

Next, is what we currently love to use and carry in our wholesale store.  It is about "half" micronized zeolite. It is actually very well produced, and has "bell curve" particle sizing, with the top of the bell curve at about 10 microns (so, 10 microns would be the average particle size).  In the end, this translates to about half the particles small enough to enter the blood stream, and half that work through the digestive system.
As far a digestive system work goes, they at PHYSICALLY (chemically/molecularly) very similar to bentonites (smectites) and illites (mica)... but without the "healing" aspect.  The body has an innate awareness and intelligence when it comes to volcanic-origin ash type earths, but not zeolite, as zeolite is a rock.  There are quite a few things that zeolite doesn't do which healing clays do extremely well.

It should be noted that Indigenous cultures around the world have been using these "regular" healing earths long enough for them to become part of the human instinct.  The animals, same.  To date, we haven't found any animals chomping on actual rocks, and if they did, the particle size would be too large to be "cellularly" or biologically interesting to living systems. 

This isn't said to belittle zeolite, it's just an observation that zeolite has advantages and limitations.  By knowing what they are, you can develop the most effective protocols.

The final type that is used for human health is standard milled zeolite.  The best stuff is about 400 mesh (which limits the particle size to about 40 microns), but 325 will do (325 is actually larger than 400 mesh).  This type of zeolite works to detox the digestive tract; the particle are way too large to be biologically significant for any other function.

The benefit is that zeolite is "water rejecting" (I use to call it "water-hating", but, while accurate, the word hate is a bit too harsh!), so it is less likely to reveal/exteriorize constipation issues.  One should still drink plenty of water when using it, constipation can still happen, especially with those who are dehydrated or have thyroid issues (hypothyroidism).

The limitation is that it does not form charge layers, and so it has a very weak collective electromagnetic field... BUT, that "character" isn't needed to detox the digestive tract, anyway.  Again, micronized zeolite has a CEC rating of 2-4 times more than any other "detox" mineral/clay, so it has an amazing sorption capabilities. 

I had to find a specialized lab to do testing, all of the labs in the US wanted to prepare the samples incorrectly.  I found a lab in Canada where the scientists were familiar with the nature of colloids, so I tested a wide range of the colloids that we enjoy using.

Since it rejects water, it doesn't need to be "fully hydrated" to work, there simply must be water/fluid present. 

Here's just one  practical example of the differences being important:

One user had too great of a detox effect at the liver for standard healing clays; while this is very rare, it does happen.  So she tried using a "half" micronized zeolite, which doesn't do all that much for liver cleansing (compared to smectite with its "wafer" thin and flat particles) because of the shape of the particle.  However, the kidney reaction she experienced put her in bed.  That's two checks:  liver toxicity and kidney toxicity, no doubt resulting in the genetic down-regulation of Phase I - Phase II detox.  A complex, and often "catch 22" situation.

So, she switched to milled zeolite, and this worked perfectly. This allowed her to begin to detox the digestive tract without causing liver/kidney detox reactions.  The operative idea is to get as much work done where you can, in this case the digestive tract, and then SLOWLY expand.  A wise course of action would then to start to put TINY amounts of the "half" micronized zeolite into the mix, and proceed from there.

If I had my choice of product to use, it would be our micronized zeolite with the average particle size of 10 microns, mixed with 10-25% of European TMAZ zeolite sized between 0.1 - 3 microns in diameter.  If I had to choose between TMAZ 0.1 - 3 microns, and ours with a very wide range of particle sizes, I would choose ours.  There are other substances that can be useful for cellular detox... EXCEPT in rare situations, well a cellular effect may be absolutely critical.

The big issue with toxicity at these levels (such as the example, which is more common than one might think)...  is that things like ALA, EDTA, chlorella, etc... things that work at the level of Phase 1 - 2 detoxification... can cause a catastrophic detox reaction that can last, 3, 6, even 9 months of serious issues.

When people even have a smidgen of this type of detox reaction, they become very unwilling to try detox again.  They would often stay in their current, sometimes completely disabled condition, than risk another reaction like they experienced.  That is saying a LOT!

I've correpsponded with a few people that could only take some smectite clay (calcium bentonite), and place a glob of gel on the roof of their mouth, and then would spend 4, 6, even eight hours a day in a clay bath... with MCT and environmental toxicity reactions so serious that the only time they felt sane and "regular" was while they were in the clay bath.

These types of individuals swear that they can feel the clay gel pulling at the metals in their head/brain.  Later, they spit out the clay without ingesting it.  For individuals this ill,  the most "effective" detox agent that they can tolerate internally is water... anything else just sends them off of a cliff.  In some cases, milled zeolite may be a viable option.

It would be nice if we could find one "super mineral" that does everything.  It is just not possible.  You might find one that does everything YOU need it to do, however!  That said, you don't have to limit yourself to one colloid.

Internal Infections / Re: Colon Polyps and Candida
« on: September 03, 2020, 04:30:39 PM »
Hi Kim:

I would recommend the digestive system cleanse.  The reason being:  Even a complete antifungal program doesn't usually repair the leaky gut a serious case of Candida can cause.  A person eventually ends up having to eat perfectly in order to avoid flare ups, and that's not the idea!

...important to watch for mucoid plaque starting around week 4 to week 6.  Once the mucoid plaque is gone, the bio-terrain, as far as what it will support, becomes more hospital to the "right" organisms.

Consider adding fulvic acid to the basic program (it is listed on Page 2 of the cleanse page, linked to at the bottom of the first page).

Forum News & Questions / Spammers and SEOs - Attention Please!
« on: August 30, 2020, 09:05:27 AM »
This is the 4th forum I've run since the internet was born.

The first one was extremely popular, but it was old technology.  It was almost a full time job fighting off spammers, who always salivate over forums that rank well in Google.

I kept up with it, but when Russian hackers targeted it, and kept finding exploits to hide their content on my site, I finally gave in and threw in the towel.

Since that time, with each new forum, I get a bit smarter and bit more capable.

You should all know that I love it when you guys spam this forum.  I know exactly how long it takes to set up an account, and then make a new post.

You should know that with this forum, it takes me less than five seconds to delete ALL of your posts, your replies, and your account.  It is almost effortless.

This isn't a challenge to the actual real hackers out there.  Give me a break, I cannot afford to run a fully secure server at this time.  But, I know how to, if I had the funds available, so any triumph that you might enjoy will actually be quite empty.  No need to attack the forum software itself, either, please note that it is open source and completely free; it is community supported.

Thank you! :)

Diet and Nutrition (General) / Re: CBD flower
« on: August 28, 2020, 02:34:59 PM »
In my opinion, CBD products are over-priced when compared to their practical value.

CBD from hemp is nowhere near the same as CBD from marijuana, especially when considering pain relief.  You simply cannot beat CBD from cannabis.  It is a shame that it is illegal in most places (these products often included substantial amounts of THC as well, though).

Some people swear by CBD oil from hemp for pain.  I had an opportunity to try it for some pain for 90 days, and it had no effect.  Your experience might be different, though!

This was actually informative.  Maybe a bit slow, but that's coming from a writer who doesn't particularly care for health-based videos that don't actually require images to get the message through.

I would like to state, on this topic, that frequent urination can also be caused by neurological conditions, such as multiple sclerosis.  Natural herbal infusions and concoctions can help temporary flair ups, but Dr. Hans Napier hypothesized that this is actually an cellular electrical issue.  Doing a full regime of orthomolecular supplements, as recommended by Hans Napier, can make a big difference.  It's not a cure though.  If it works, and you stop supplementation, the condition worsens.

That said, it should be noted that the cellular electrical imbalance RESULTS in pathogenic issues and inflammation, so the symptoms are pretty much the same, and herbs do help a bit, especially with "flare ups".

I really, truly think that silver iontophoresis can completely alleviate this condition, whereby a person wears two silver electrode pads overnight, one on the lower back, and one just above the pelvic bone.  However, the device in question has to be perfectly engineered, based on the very specific specifications designed by Dr. Robert O. Becker.  I only know of one such device on the market, and it is EXPENSIVE.

Not only do the silver ions eliminate the bacteria, promote cell regeneration, and reduce inflammation, but there is a bio-electric effect as well, which may (or may not!) directly impact the actual causative factor. 

The Hans Napier full protocol is pretty expensive, but if someone is suffering all night long with frequent urination where almost nothing comes out, or he/she gets the urge to "go", where nothing comes out... and every other intervention has little effect, then the next thing to do is look at the issue from a neurological standpoint (men have to look at prostate issues first, of course)...  then it is well worth it.  It can about a month to a month and a half to really experience relief.  It can be hard to find his protocol information, but there is a foundation that has all of his writings, and his book "A Curious Man" is still for sale.

...and I'm not a big fan of this type of intervention, because it is not truly natural, it is bypassing the body's natural bio-chemical processes.  However, when those processes fail, and nothing else works...

Diet and Nutrition (General) / Re: Magnesium chloride
« on: August 27, 2020, 09:03:00 AM »
Hi Marylise:

No, it won't likely have the same effect.  The reason it works for constipation, is that the body absorbs about half of the magnesium chloride, and the rest makes its way into the colon, where it pulls water/moisture from the colon walls, in essence properly hydrating the inside of the colon and loosening stool.

Used externally, it's great for cramps, muscle soreness, and it helps at least some to buffer (pH) extra-cellular fluids / the extra-cellular environment.

It can also help with some very specific forms of cardiac dysfunction (used on the chest).

As far as "mood", I'm not sure if putting it on one location is going to do much for the mood, although taking magnesium chloride baths may!

Hey there:

I'm not sure if it was intentional, but you posted this in a private, members only forum, which means people will have to login to even be able to see it.

If that was not your intention, I can move it here:


...which is a board that is closest related to the topic!

(this discussion edited and re-posted from our "Clay Disciples" Facebook Group)
I got distracted the other day when cooking dinner in an oven set at about 425 F.

I thought I had a pot holder covering my fingers. Apparently, I didn't.  I was distracted enough that I used the wrong hand.

I grabbed at the grill, thinking my hand was positioned properly; I was still looking away, distracted. Apparently, it wasn't positioned properly.

I was so distracted, I didn't notice that I grabbed the hot grill.  I  missed it completely with my palm, but hooked it with four of my fingers. I didn't even notice THAT until I heard sizzling.

I knew this was going to be a third degree burn. Normally, I would head for my clay. However, instead I wanted to try an experiment. I had a spray bottle of silver sitting on the counter, almost within reach of the oven. Within a few seconds of being burned, I was spraying my fingers with EIS/silver; standard stuff, a hydrosol with about 10 PPM EIS.

I elected to simply not use clay at all. I wanted to do the silver experiment to reproduce a treatment I had experienced before.   I also wanted to be able to use my hand for the rest of the evening. With clay gel covering my fingers, that would have been a no-go.

I already know how great hydrated clay is for burns, even 4th degree burns where the tissue is past recovery, charred dead. I had been wondering if silver would be any better, in very specific situations.

I did not let my fingers dry, I just kept spraying my fingers about every four minutes or so, for about 30 minutes.

My fingers hurt terribly. Check one: With clay, the pain often goes away, usually quickly. With the silver, it did not.

However, I noticed that there was zero inflammation response, and zero cell production around the burn.

This was something I looked at carefully. Usually, macrophages send cell signals that cause a whole host of tissue changes... many of those "changes" cause as much harm as good; although it is all part of the natural healing process.

In this case, by ten minutes, the redness was gone. There was only a slight discoloration.

After an hour, the only way you could tell there was an issue was the fact that the fingerprints on the tips of my fingers were burned off.

The fingers continued to hurt on and off for the rest of the night.

By morning, I could barely tell they had been burned at all, and I could only tell because I knew exactly where to look.

Clay usually REDUCES swelling, redness and tissue damage. The best thing, is that it removes the pain!  But it can't quite do what silver can do in this situation.

Now, I do usually spray silver on an area before treating it with clay.

If it is a cut that is profusely  bleeding, I spray silver on it for a bit, add cayenne powder to stop the bleeding, and then put a clay poultice on to finish up.  It is an excellent treatment strategy.

Now, it's pretty clear that there are situations where I might wait a bit before using clay, and continue with the silver instead.... but ONLY when all damage it topical. Silver can't penetrate deeply into wounds without electrical current... clay has no such barrier to its efficacy, in many cases.


Sounds like good reason to keep clay hydrated with EIS on hands.


Yes, I do often hydrate clay with about 50% EIS.

However, I'm not yet sure what the exact effect will be. The type of silver that is effective against tissue damage (as proven by Dr. Bart Flick, MD of Silverlon, as well as Dr. Robert O. Becker, MD) is silver ions.

Silver ions have a POSITIVE charge. Clay Particles have a NEGATIVE charge.

Here is what I think happens:

You hydrate your clay with silver. The silver ion comes in contact with a hydrated clay particle. Silver will be more reactive than many other (but of course not all) types of ions (anions) that clay will currently have sorpted (is holding). So, let's say that the clay particle is currently holding, via sorption (electrical attraction), a potassium anion.

The clay particle will swap out the potassium (releasing it), and grab the silver ion, with its properties completely intact.

The silver ion is now buffered, and will not have any affect in the outer environment, until the clay particle comes in contact with something else even more reactive.

We had the opportunity to do comparative studies between (a SILVER, b) CLAY, and c) SILVER AND CLAY, against MRSA bacteria (antibiotic resistant staph).

Here is what we learned:

SILVER was the most effective, because it reacted QUICKLY. Oligodynamic silver (as apposed to silver compounds, which do NOT work like this, even at 500 to 1000 PPM).

The CLAY/SILVER formulation was EQUALLY effective, it just took longer to kill the MRSA.

CLAY alone worked, but not as well as either the silver alone, or the silver and clay together.

Some would read this study and think that this means that silver is superior. But, IT DOES NOT.  Silver is limited severely by barriers that clay is not.

Silver won't reach through dermal layers at all, nor will it have any effect whatsoever on the underlying lymph system, or organs.  It's effect is strickly electro-chemical; directly physical. 

Silver is limited by electromagnetic fields and charges. It is easy to repel silver with either a neutralizing or a "buffering" charge.
It might seem like clay has this limitation, but not usually. If clay "meets" something with a like negative charge, whereas one clay particle will be repelled, clay with hydrated charge layers has a cumulative effect, and you can create a field which literally overpowers any adjacent fields.

You can clearly see this with scar tissue, and I believe, some types of tumors. You simply have to use more hydrated clay gel, and thus create a stronger field.

I've seen clay cure tumors, and I think it does this primarily by turning the lights back on for the immune system (along with a detox effect). It creates a field charge that literally collapses the tumor's, and the immune system all of the sudden knows that the tumor is there, and mounts a defense (if it is healthy enough to do so).

This is one reason why I think that some tumors respond so quickly and well to tumors, while clay has zero effect on others.... it has more to do with the state of the body and its metabolism and/or toxicity levels than anything else.

Of course, in this writing there is a lot of great "hard" science, but also quite a bit speculation on my part... I think of it as practical, informed speculation based on theory, observation, and experience/experimentation over a very long period of time.

I have my own pretty profound cancer treatment theories, but again, all speculation; get even a little bit wrong and it can be life ending.

SO, back to the original thought, when seconds count, I believe that silver is superior, at least at first! But only when the silver ions have direct access to the cells that need the "help"!

It is ****possible*** that you can ramp up the PPM so that you wash clay with silver, and take up as many anion spots as possible, and then make sure that there are plenty of silver ions left over... AND that the clay is in a form that I call SUPER-HYDRATED, where there is always a very thin layer of water molecules, almost like a sheath, covering, and on the outside of the clay charge layers.

This would be HIGHLY, HIGHLY structured "4th Phase" water with a field barrier to prevent the water from over-hydrating the clay and turning it from its gel form, with highly organized and interconnected charge layers, to "aqueous" clay water, where the single molecules of clay no longer combine with other molecules of clay to form the amazing field characteristics that clay has when properly hydrated.

In THIS case, the clay might be equal to silver, if that "sheath" or water layer on the outside of the clay gel is rich with positively charged silver ions.

This "super-hydration" state is only possible with clays like our green desert calcium bentonite/montmorillonite, something like Redmond clay (not Pascalite or Terramin), something like pure sodium bentonite, but not Pyro clay, or Illite.

While I think it is very interesting, there are a lot of "ifs" there, LOL.... Practically, it is a bit easier to keep spraying on silver for 20 minutes are so, and THEN donning a clay poultice if needed!

...not at all.

In my experience, colloids work very well together since they have similar charges, as long as you are not working with colloids with opposite pH values.  Most clays, etc., are neutral or alkaline, so no problems.

I currently use a six clay blend, personally, just because I have about six favorite colloids. :)

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